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and his republican rival mitt romney are both getting ready for their first face to face presidential debate in denver wednesday night. romney is holding a rally in the mile-high city today, while the president gears up in nevada. nbc's tracy potts joins us with washington from the latest. >> reporter: good morning, everyone. we get an interesting perspective on this from john mccain. he's debated both the president and mitt romney, and he says we will see two very strong well-prepared candidates and in his prediction, few surprises. the president's behind closed doors in nevada for the next two days preparing to face mitt romney in denver wednesday. >> he's a good debater. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing. >> reporter: both sides are downplaying expectations. a senior aide to the president says romney will be prepared, disciplined and aggressive. romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formidable and i think it will be a good debate,
. >>> we begin this morning with debate prep. president obama and his republican rival mitt romney are both getting ready for their first face to face presidential debate in denver wednesday night. romney is holding a rally in the mile-high city today, while the president gears up in nevada. nbc's tracie potts joins us from washington with the latest. >> reporter: good morning, everyone. we get an interesting perspective on this from john mccain, he's debated both the president and mitt romney. he says we will see two very strong well-prepared debaters and he predicts few surprises. the president's behind closed doors in nevada for the next two days preparing to face mitt romney in denver wednesday. >> he's a good debater. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing. >> reporter: both sides are downplaying expectations. a senior aide to the president says romney will be prepared, disciplined and aggressive. romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formi
reaction coming in from the romney campaign. gloria borger is standing by on that front. both of these campaigns are bringing major surrogates to denver to appear in the so-called spin room after the debate tomorrow night. what are you learning about the romney campaign's people who are coming in? >> reporter: wolf, it's probably no surprise rob portman, mitt romney's chief sparring partner playing barack obama in the debate, he'll be in the spin room. but we've also learned that marco rubio, the rising star, senator from florida who had a prominent role at the republican convention, he will also be in the room. it's interesting to note this comes just as mitt romney's making some new gestures in some outreach, you could say, to the latino community. notable he will be there as well. >> very interesting. thanks very, very much, jim acosta in littleton, colorado. >>> all right. this just coming in to cnn. the results of our brand new poll among latinos all over the united states. certainly one of the country's fastest growing and increasingly important groups of voters. look at
-point leads in nevada and north carolina. virginia could be the bellwether. both the president and mitt romney campaigned there yesterday, and the latest poll shows the president with with a slight edge. let me bring in perry bacon and susan. good to see both of you. good morning. >> good morning. >> i'm sure you saw what charles cr krauthhammer wrote this morning. make the case and go large. it might just work and it's not too late. what do you think, susan? does mitt romney need to take risks and go big? >> one thing is for sure. the debate this week in denver on wednesday is a big deal for the romney campaign. he has to make his case, and he has to mak his case he's a better candidate than barack obama. he has to throw some punches. he can't just kind of go in there sort of apologetically and be very gentle with obama. he has to really throw some punches and show people why he's the better candidate. i think a lot of these polls are a little bit overstated. i think the democrats have been oversampled in a lot of polls, and i don't think there's that huge of a gap between romney and obama. n
the candidates responded. maybe it was that infamous 47% remark that mitt romney had. maybe one or both of the campaigns has some dirty trick in their pocket that they're going to be ready to get out there at the 11th hour. but you know what? if we knew, it wouldn't be called an october surprise now, would it? >> that's very true. you've got that right. dana bash, that was a great story. thank you so much. >> thanks, carol. >>> cnn's live debate coverage begins tomorrow night at 7:00 eastern. >>> nfl legend barry sanders, there he is. i'm so excited, barry, that you're here. we'll talk next. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! thanks. one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natu
. both presidential candidates, president obama and governor romney are smart individuals. this is going to be a very good debate, because both are policy wonks and they're not afraid to answer a detailed question. >> nera, this morning chuck todd said to be honest -- they're both smart men, but neither is a great debater. he thinks the vice presidential debate will be a lot more interesting. however, mitt romney has 20 primary debates under his belt and president obama has none this time around. if you look at history, the past four incumbent presidents have had a difficult time in the first debate. give me your take on this. >> the president has had numerous press conferences. obviously piece asked questions about policy and he has to answer them. he has to practice having sharper answers, because you have a limited amount of time. i do think, though, that governor romney has a disadvantage in that he hasn't been very specific. he's going to have to be very specific. the president will hold him accountable to facts and figures. you know, the president knows his policies. at this point
and romney campaign has been both in word and deed really trying to step it up, recognizing how much is riding on the debates. >>gregg: thanking from boston, carl cameron. >>heather: a hero's welcome at ground zero for a group of brave americans, including war veterans. it is the warrior bicycle ride, rolling in to new york city today, they have been riding across the country for the last nine days. we have followed them 3,200 miles from california. the team raised awareness and money to help the children of fallen u.s. vet whose died serving their country. >>gregg: also in new york city today, more than 10,000 runners honoring the first responders who died in the september 11th attack, retracing the steps of a firefighter who had 60 pounds of gear strapped to his back he ranked through the brooklyn tunnel into manhattan to help the victims at ground zero. that is where he also lost his life. here is former new york city mayor giuliani. >> this memorizes the firefighter coming through the tunnel on september 11th with the gear, running to the fire, saving people. he lost his life. hi
jones takes a look for us. >> reporter: both the obama and romney campaigns are doing their best to lower expectations ahead of wednesday's debate. >> we've expected all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> reporter: ryan's words echoed a memo from romney adviser beth myers who said the president was widely regarded as one of the most talented political communicators in modern history. myers even pointed to a cnn/orc poll showing a 25-point advantage for obama on who voters think will win the debates. the obama camp likes to remind voters the president hasn't had as much time to prepare for the debates because he's busy being commander in chief. when it comes to just how much debates matter, it depends. >> most often debates don't make that big a difference. very few candidates ever w
about the numbers. mitt romney is working to regain ground. barack obama is pouring millions of dollars into ads to steal the deal. voters are heading to the polls in two dozen states and both sides are bracing for the unexpected, especially when it comes to the economy. and that's with less than six weeks left. if the election were held today, what would we expect, jeff? >> if the election would be held today and it is, it is a question that governor romney's campaign dismissed saying it is not being held today. i was in iowa yesterday, thousands of people have voted in almost at the end of this month, 30 states will have voted. if the election was today, president obama has command. in battleground states from nevada, up to new hampshire and down to florida in nine battle ground states, the president is in command of this race and that's not an assessment of the polls, although he has an advantage in the polls but republicans in the romney campaign as well. that doesn't mean this race is over. there are a lot of things can happen. the debate next week. there is a recognition inside th
obama people are expecting mitt romney to come with some prepared lines, and the truth is, for both men, this could be a game changer and so both men are working really hard prepping for it. the obama team has made a point of saying romney has prepped more than he has but obama's leaving on sunday for two or three day debate camp in nevada. they're prepping for it very hard. whether it's humor, whether it's one liners, they want their man to have their -- his best game on. >> ben, i want to ask you this, you don't have to mention doritos in your answer, isn't there a risk here that president obama feels like he's in the lead, like he's always been a cool, consistent speaker and he will pull back so far he might look sort of a little mellow in this debate? >> yeah. i think he's going to be -- it's a different situation. romney is going to be swinging and obama is going to be on defense. he doesn't want to screw up. >> we'll leave the word with buzz feed ben. follow this show on twitt twitter @nowwithalex for news and updates you're not going to get anywhere else. check out alex wagner on
. what type of ground game do you see obama and the romney people virginia? host: both president obama and mitt romney in virginia today. guest: virginia has become a true battleground state. the campaigns are here every week. you have a significant level of enthusiasm for both of these candidates. people that are committed will turn out for these rallies. the numbers are not overwhelming because there are so many of these events. you are looking at thousands, tens of thousands of people at these events. michelle obama was here recently. she filled the auditorium. some candidates generate high levels of enthusiasm. think about sarah palin. she had a rally in fairfax four years ago. it was an energetic and a powerful rally in terms of people getting excited for her. host: jim from massachusetts. caller: i think basically the election it is useless. i see it all around the world. all these leaders will collapse all the world economy to start the world bank for the new world order. both of these candidates, all they do is play on everybody's ults. the supreme court made a bad decision. ho
journalists might say about it. that ad moves people and has an impact. i have seen both obama and romney suddenly tweak or change or drop language called out by fact checkers. ultimately, there was a decision there that it does not mean that much to us if we fix this. we will get less grief if we treat it a bit or change it on the margins, but the key things that move voters, such as, he apologizes for america or obama with that ridiculous thing about savings from the wars, and in the same breath he criticizes george w. bush for running wars on a credit card. he will say those on this one sentence after another without any sense he is contradicting himself. there is pulling there that says that is an effective line and moves voters. it does not matter what the actual facts are. that is when -- >> in that statement, he also said, fact checkers come to this with their own sense of thoughts and ideas and backgrounds. he is trying to redefine what a fact is. he is saying, there are no objective facts. it is to somebody else's opinion about what we are saying. it is kind of like redefining ap
. that ad moves people and has an impact. i have seen both obama and romney suddenly tweak or change -- suddenly tweak or change or drop language called out by fact checkers. all to the, there was a check -- decision there that it does not mean that much to us if we fix this. we will get less grief if we treat it a bit or change it on the martin -- margins, but the key things that move voters, such as, he apologizes for america or obama with that ridiculous thing about savings from the wars, and in the same breath he criticizes george w. bush for running wars on a credit card. he will say those on this one sentence after another without any sense he is contradicting himself. there is pulling there that says that is an effective line and moves voters. it does not matter what the actual facts are. that is when -- >> in that statement, he also said, fact checkers come to this with their own sense of thoughts and ideas and backgrounds. he is trying to redefine what a fact is. he is saying, there are no objective facts. it is to somebody else's opinion about what we are saying. it is kind
, of course, the election. both president obama and governor romney are seasoned debaters and experts say neither are prone to making major gaffes. but if there is one thing that history has taught us when it comes to presidential debates, expect the unexpected. anderson cooper. >> until this week it has been a rough presidential election to be sure. now the candidates can't stop complimenting each other's debating skills. while they try to lower expectations, one of mitt romney's supporters is predicting a big might for the republican. turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ how do you help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. up high! ok. don't you have any usefull apps on that thing? who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, our amaz
at the university of texas. good morning to both of you. will mitt romney have to and be able to defend paul ryan's budget plan at the debate tomorrow? >> clearly, the selection of paul ryan was an intent to give, sort of fill out this alternative. how was mitt romney going to be an alternative to whatever president obama's policies were. that was a strategic shift from it being just simply a referendum on the president. it's not, it wasn't so much does he have to defend everything paul ryan did? it's how does paul ryan supplement what mitt romney is going to say in terms of how he offers this alternative and what we are going to see in terms of the debate is how the campaign decides to define that. >> paul ryan the last couple of days has taken a lot of criticism for his interview on fox news sunday when chris wallace grilled him how he paid for a 20% tax cut he and mitt romney proposed. he had no details. he was asked the question six or seven times. to be fair, has either side really given good strong details about their budgets or how they would move the economy forward? >> they started trick
romney screw up -- that is the kind of thing that cbs is not holding him accountable. both candidates will do the syrupy things but mitt romney is doing press conferences and obama has not been doing press conferences. you can look at the research on this. president obama has done more one-on-one said downs then press conferences. he likes to control the message and he would rather sit down with barbara walters and have her ask them what superpower he would like to have. host: fredericksburg, va., an airline for democrats -- -- on our line for democrats -- caller: i get tired of them talking about liberal, biased media. if there was, do you think they will allow george bush' to set p the war on allied? a lie? our country wanted to collapse, how many economic speculative to they have and the network? none of them do this? they talk about the kindness of mitt romney because he is a preacher -- printer or bishops at this church. isa pasture -- but pastor's not help his flock, you need to find another church. host: we will leave it there. guest: i don't think the news media has spent a lo
and the position of folks like lindsey graham or john mccain than there is between romney and obama. both romney and obama believe in supporting the opposition. the administration has provided nonlethal and humanitarian assistance, it's also worked with our allies who are providing all sorts of support to the opposition which, by the way, is what mitt romney said he would do in working with countries like qatar, turkey and saudi arabia and other ways. but i think this administration has also recognized that the most important thing we can do is try to create a unified political opposition so that when the assad regime fall, we'll have as smooth a transition as possible. rushing in with military options without a clear exit strategy which, by the way, mitt romney said on "60 minutes" would be the way he would think about military affairs, the president understands we have to be cautious about it. because there are many ways in which we could make the situation worse rather than better, and our first obligation is to try and get the political and diplomatic context right so you can have as smooth
riesirita simon. >>> president barack obama and mitt romney square off wednesday night in denver. both trying to lower expectations practically gushing over one another, but new jersey governor chris christie is going against the grain and setting the bar high for the republican nominee. >>er time mitt romney has been confronted in this campaign with one of these moments, he has come through in a debate and performed extraordinarily well laying out his vision very clearly and also contrasting himself with his vision with hoomp his opponent was at that time. so i have absolute confidence when we get to thursday morning, george, you'll be shaking your head saying it's a brand new race with 33 dap days to go. >> you almost never hear that. doing well in a debate. what on earth was chris christie doing? live from washington in an undisclosed location at the bureau, peter what was chris christie doing there? >> i have no idea, john. do you? this flies in the face of everything the romney campaign's been trying to do for the last few week. his senior adviser beth myers put out something sayi
romney preparing to square off wednesday nit in the first of three critical presidential debates. both sides are falling all over each other to praise the other candidate to lower expectations for their own candidate, except for one guy, new jersey governor chris christie, who's setting the bar very high for his own guy, the republican nominee. >> he's going to come in wednesday night, have his vision for america. he's going to contrast what his view with what the president's record is. the president's view for the future. and this whole race is going to be turned upside down come thursday morning. >> the whole race turned upside down. setting the bar very high. cnn political reporter peter hamby joins me live from washington. exactly what was chris christie doing there? it doesn't seem to be part of the romney campaign playbook. >> he was being chris christie. even though the romney campaign approves when their surrogates go on campaign trails, he'll just go off the rails and say whatever he wants. the expectations game for the romney campaign has been to lower them as low as humanly
with senator john kerry and mitt romney is squaring off against senator rob portman. both candidates have challenges and checklists. president obama's working on shorter answers, trying to avoid sounding like the professor he was before the white house. democrats say he needs to look strong and forceful and not appear irritated or impatient. >> they're trying to get him into the mode of being able to answer questions, short, concisely, and to the point, and so it's much more like his mannerisms and his style and the way he comes across as opposed to information in this. >> reporter: and mitt romney? he has to seem relatable, especially after his 47% comment. how can he do that? show compassion? show he's competent and connect with the voters? >> on those three cs that's where he really has got to do well. >> reporter: romney arrived in colorado to continue his debate prep but took a brief break to rally supporters. >> what an honor. what a welcome. what a colorado welcome. thank you so much. >> the prls president also took a break with a visit to the nevada campaign office. >> hi, this is
and ohio behind in both. we were laughing about the expectations setting on both sides but, governor romney has to shake things up, wednesday night, doesn't he. >> he is going to. every time mitt romney has been confronted in this campaign with one of these moments he has come through in a debate and performed extraordinarily well, laying out his vision very clearly and also contrasting himself and his vision with whoever his opponent was at that time. i have absolute confidence, george, all you will be shaking your head it is a brand new race. jenna: new jersey governor chris christie, making a bold prediction, how about that? the bold prediction related to the first presidential debate saying governor mitt romney's performance against the president could very well change the entire race. but how important are presidential debates and how much do they really shape the outcome in november? we heard a lot. joining me someone who has done research on polling impact of past debates. larry sabato, director of center for politics at the university of virginia. larry, historically speaking how bi
. >> wednesday, president obama and mitt romney meet in their first debate. both candidates on screen on c- span. on c-span2, the multi camera version of the debate. follow our live coverage on c- span, c-span radio, and online at c-span.org. host: joining us now is gary johnson, former governor of mexico. he is the libertarian nominee. look at the major party candidates. what is missing in the debate and what do you bring to the table? guest: how about the truth, for starters. the notion that obama and mitt romney are arguing over who will spend more on medicare. if we do not divided by medicare spending, i think we will find ourselves in the midst of a monetary collapse. host: what are you saying on that issue/ what is your prescription? guest: i oversaw the reform of medicaid when i was governor of new mexico. we saved hundreds of millions of dollars. the government blocked -- done away with the strings and the manas, i could have overseen the delivery of health care to the poor. health care for those over 65. get the federal government out of health care completely. that is how we're going t
. by the way, we have been winning those cases. >> president obama and mitt romney meet in their first presidential debate. watch and engage with c-span, with our live debate preview. fallen by two ways to watch the debate at 9:00. on c-span, both candidates on screen the entire debate. and then on c-span2, multiple angles. in about 15 minutes, we will go to the newseum here in washington where the national communications association held a panel with communications scholars on how to watch the debates, what viewers should look for. live coverage begins at 1:00 eastern. tonight, we continue our live campaign 2012 coverage. three congressional debates to show you. we will go to the university of massachusetts for a debate between incumbent president scott brown and elizabeth warren. c-span will have coverage of that. that will be followed at shinnecock by -- 8:00. c-span2 will have eric cantor as she squares off against a former army colonel when powell. live coverage at 7:00 eastern on c-span2. "usa" richard walsh sat down with an interview with ross perot. c-span cameras were there to
but if you're in the nfl, by all means talk about who you want for president. >> maybe mitt romney wasn't bluffing when he said of some his best friends own nfl teams. >> john: he said nascar teams i thought. >> no, he said it about both. >> john: he'll probably buy the show and i will be -- >> the creator of the hit animated comedy family guy has been capped to host the next academy awards ceremony. seth mcfarlane made his debut with ted also behind american dad will take the stage at the oscars in february. last year it was hosted by billy crystal. >> you didn't say also created the cleveland show. >> sorry, the what? >> john: no one's talked about the cleveland show. are you excited about seth hosting? >> i think it will be great. it will be fantastic. >> john: he will be very funny although it is the sort of thing that seth mcfarland would make fun of. >> i think he'll do a fine job but i would expect him to make fun of the spectacle that is the oscars so now that he's part of it it is time to grow up and sell out.
romney campaign, as you both know, struggling with the release of videotape yesterday where he commented that there is 47% americans who in his words see themselves as victims who deserve handouts. this has sparked a lot of discussion about the government's role in our lives. are too many americans including the middle class dependent on government tough make their lives better? hassan: i want that family to do more than wonder when they get in the morning. i want them to be able to go to our community college and get retrained the whale -- the way a worker who was laid off told me he was going to college. that takes some help from the state government. the legislature that you supported, the tea party legislator. that the community college system budget. you cannot have it both ways. if you want a vibrant system, a vibrant place so that our people can show what they are made of which is, the strongest, best work force, work ethic anywhere in the country, they have to have that kind of opportunity. that is our job, of course people, more and more paying federal income tax because the rec
be relevant at this time because we have a struggle between both parties. i think we already have one called independents. host: thank you. the front page of the new york times. mitt romney coming up short with undecideds. a new poll is expected to come out following the first presidential debate. house democrats already writing their wish list hoping the president is really elected. they are placing a focus on jobs and the economy and also discretionary issues like immigration, climate change, housing, and even a return to health care. it would lend the president a new fistful of political capital as he confronts republican leaders about how to steer the country through the next four years. his allies in the house are offering tips on how to spend it. next is kevin from massachusetts on the republican line. caller: good morning. i loved ross perot in the 1992. i love his pointer and his board. he got his point across with his pointer. people do not want that. like one caller said, we spend more time watching these crazy shows on tv that are more important in getting our country on track. wi
tell you, living in washington and traveling around the country, i think you both know here in massachusetts, there is such a disgust with washington because of dysfunction and washington does not work. the question about bipartisanship here, senator, let me ask you this. you said a mitt romney that he is one of your strongest and earliest backers. he said it comes to dealing with the economic issues, there is no one i would trust more than governor romney. would you be a reliable ally of a president romney? >> i think he pointed out in your initial comment about this functionality in washington. when i went down there, i thought it was dysfunctional. when i got there, it was even worse. it still is. if you see it everyday. in speaking to the independent voters of massachusetts and being that independent of voice. i spoke about 50% with my party and 50% with the other party. that is a lot different than what professor warren would do. i need not work for anybody. i cannot work for president obama, mitt romney, mitch, harry reid -- i work for the people of massachusetts. i am
of both scott brown and elizabeth warren. the fact that he did not want to be associated very clearly did not want to be associated with mitt romney was interesting and definitely trying to put sun light between him and the obstructionist congress he is a part of. what did you make of it? >> absolutely. that's one of his keys to victory to try to get that crossover vote, folks who will vote for barack obama for president but do not want to send an all democratic ticket to washington. but when he's saying well, he said to mitch mcconnell he wasn't satisfied with the direction in which congress was going and would he vote for him, mitch mcconnell is the only republican on the ballot for senate majority leader so if you don't vote for him you're going to be excommunicated. he has to go with mitch mcconnell. i found that fascinating. the supreme court justice answer, scalia known to be a favorite amongst republicans, prime probably not going to do well with independent in the state of massachusetts. the most important number here is that amount of folks undecided in the state, 18%, and why is
some changes? >> i think candidates have to have their own campaigns. we both lived this. >> right. >> the campaigns are set for good or bad by the candidate. romney's at a perfect point for a guy who used to take over businesses and turn them around. >> would you turn this campaign around if you were in charge of it? >> my advice to romney is that he has very specific things they have to do. start with the candidate. and i agree with dee dee for example. they have to ask themselves why after two and a half weeks of a disaster in benghazi are they not dominating the issue? what do they have to change to dominate the issue? that starts with the candidate not the campaign. >> that does start with the candidate. and his ability to bring in other people like bill clinton brought in other people who have been critical of the president around the table for the first three and a half years. i think if he gets re-elected that will change with an eye toward history and i think he'll have to do it especially if republicans pick up seats in the senate and win the house. but mitt romney has th
the debate worthwhile, especially with these two guys who are both cautious campaigners and like to filibuster their way through answers with lots of word salad they throw out there. mitt romney has to be worried about getting overeager or getting, again, flustered, making an unforced error like that. megyn: it's interesting because the president wants everybody to believe that mitt romney is so smooth and so great, we've seen there he's had gaffes, and the president has had gaffes, and we don't know which version of the candidates will show up on wednesday night, but the last thing i want to ask you about is as we watch together, because we went to those debates together and talked about them after every one, romney improved. he definitely improved by the end. we went through more than 20 of them. and by that critical debate he had in, i think it was florida, where he needed to take out gingrich, he got much more aggressive, and he succeeded in helping redefine the republican primary. here's a sample of romney at what many thereafter said was his best performance. >> mr. speaker
'm barack obama, and i approve this message. [ female announcer ] he says... president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class families. [ female announcer ] but this is what the budget plan mitt romney supports actually does. more huge tax breaks skewed to the wealthy. while cutting nearly eight hundred billion from medicaid... even though middle-class families rely on medicaid to help loved ones cover nursing-home care. and it helps parents support children with disabilities. if mitt romney really "cares," wouldn't we see it in his priorities? >>> silver ball. >> but what is it? >> at nats park. >> okay. >> okay. >> oh, i see. we're looking at it from a different angle than usual. you're right. okay. >> it is that nat-itude tony. >> it is. and we're very happy. it didn't seem sincere but we are. >> and tucker barnes, you can tell, he is rocking it. >> good for you, tucker. but before you get to the weather, you have something else for us? >> yes, this is always our favorite thing. this time now for my first five photo of the day. uh-oh. we have landon, everybody. and we say hello
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